The amount of bagging out of this as a reboot of the old, just because of the use of the name is staggering... I as many others here (You know who you are) where very vocal after the original 8m take down of not jumping the gun and just going with the next new shiny thing that popped without spending a second to breath and plan... The demise of 21candles I still lament as a loss as it was kicked to the kerb by old 8m members as everyone flooded to APCF.. It was Truley a shame it didn't get a chance and was just branded as a back-up site... If the old owner left the original 8m forum in tatters and disrespected the members to the degree of retaining no back-ups, then to hell with that and more power to the new Admin who has had the balls to take on the job to rise it back out of the ashes...Don't get me started on APC... what a fucking mess that one is...